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    So you think that if somebody is transsexual, they should be institutionalized and their gun right should be taken away? On what basis? Science?

    Oh you're reading that like it's my idea.


    Ask the Trump DOJ.


    Trump DOJ Weighs Ban on Trans People Owning Guns
    The reported proposal, which is in its early stages, would seek to classify being transgender as a disqualifying mental condition to own a gun.
    time.com


    I'm just a spectator, like watching Trumpers turn their backs on even childhood vaccines. I didn't make them the new dirty hippies, they do that to themselves.

    Research consistently shows that transgender people experience much higher rates of suicidal thoughts and attempts than the general population.

    According to the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, which analyzed data from the U.S. Transgender Population Health Survey:

    • 81% of transgender adults in the U.S. have thought about suicide at some point in their lives.
    • 42% have attempted suicide at least once.
    • In the past year alone, 44% reported suicidal ideation and 7% reported a suicide attempt.

    For comparison, lifetime suicide attempt rates in the general U.S. adult population are estimated at around 4–5% — meaning transgender adults are roughly eight to ten times more likely to have attempted suicide.

    Researchers point to factors like stigma, discrimination, lack of social acceptance, and barriers to gender‑affirming care as major contributors to these elevated risks.

    If you’d like, I can also share protective factors that studies show significantly reduce suicide risk among transgender people — such as supportive family, affirming healthcare, and safe community spaces. That way we’re not just looking at the problem, but also at what helps.



    IMO that is a troubling number.

    I think what the Trump admin is proposing is that "being trans" should NOT be a trump card against being scrutinized for being insane. And I'm not saying that being trans is insane, I'm saying that the left considers trans people who are also lunatics untouchable.

    I think the problem is a bunch of borderline nutballs looking for an attention fix became transtrenders. People who actually suffer from the condition are getting lumped in with the nutbags. You take the nutbag and add in cross sex hormones? WTF does that do to an already fucked up brain chemistry?

    What Trump proposed was banning guns from anyone diagnosed with "gender dysphoria"


    That's no basis to take away someone's rights. lol.


    Because there have been a few crazy trans people that shot people. If that's the criteria, then LOTS of other shooters can be placed into LOTS of groups and then we can just take away their rights too. Black people and Liberals are two groups I can think of. Alcoholics too.. Depressed people.

    Pre‑2013 DSM classification – “Gender Identity Disorder” was listed in the DSM‑III and DSM‑IV as a mental disorder. In some states and agencies, that diagnosis could be lumped in with other psychiatric conditions when deciding if someone was “adjudicated as a mental defective” under 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(4).

    I wonder how many mass murderers suffered from depression? Or anxiety?


    On the logic of banning a group based on a diagnosis, anyone who has depression or anxiety should have their gun rights taken away.


    So it's all fucking bullshit. You can't just take someone's rights away because they're diagnosed with something. Only if they are actually a threat to somebody do you even act on anything. So don't be fucking stupid

    did you have to go through a psych eval? I'm not singling anyone out. that said the process needs to be looked into to determine IF someone is suicidal and what happens after that.


    I am not in favor of stripping 2a rights blanketly. If you got that from my posts it wasn't my intention.

    "That guy was a fucking nut."


    "How can you be sure?"

    "Well... he planned and executed the murder of thirty people and himself, so..."

    "That doesn't mean anything."


    I've always been kind of amazed by psych "evals" that say a maniac that kills a bunch of people is sane to stand trial...

    All Government is Organized Crime.

    Quote from Bronk

    did you have to go through a psych eval? I'm not singling anyone out. that said the process needs to be looked into to determine IF someone is suicidal and what happens after that.


    I am not in favor of stripping 2a rights blanketly. If you got that from my posts it wasn't my intention.

    So, you're right back to the..."if you have a certain disorder" then you need to be looked into to make sure You're allowed to have a gun.


    You're a fucking moron if you think that You can single out any one thing and then just remove their rights. Like you need to be scrutinized because you've had depression before? Let's do that. Every other fucking thing you can think of.


    Did you yell at somebody while driving before? Maybe you have road rage and anchor issues. I think we need to look into that and evaluate you to make sure it's okay for you to have a gun. Maybe we need to follow all your social media to make sure you're not a danger to anybody. I mean you probably have violent outrageous all the time and say crazy things that need to be looked into.


    Can you see how fucking stupid you are?


    The only thing you can do is act if somebody does something illegally. That's the only lawful thing that you should be able to do. If I'm a law-abiding citizen and never harmed anybody, there's no fucking reason to even think about trying to take a gun away from me.


    Fucking simpletons.

    If you attempt to kill yourself ... You can be (in most states) involuntary commitment AND you will go up in front of a judge and IF he determines (in his opinion) you are a mental defective... YOU WILL BE STRIPPED of your 2a.


    sorry you dont like that.