Rolling Outages

  • Hey guys


    Missed being here but our PG^E power outages caused three days of misery to those affected. Gina, were you? Southern

    n Con Ed is shutting down things south of you too. Even the cell towers shut down and TMobile said they were not allowed to supply generators to them. I think we are getting drilled in this.:crab

  • Because they're the assholes who started the fires last year that wiped out entire towns with their equipment throwing sparks into the forest. I guess they figure "fuck it", we're not taking responsibility - and just shut down.

    Could be worse.....you could have a power company like those nasty Socialist in Europe with their buried power cables.....no wait, buried cables would solve the problem!

    I guess you could make a regulation that all power cable must be buried....no that's no good, that regulation...your screwed.

    :shootme

  • Yes, I watched a video put out by someone and he showed how five tremendous fires broke out instantaneously. Maybe there is something to the DEWs? It wasn't just our electricaol home and business supply it was our eyes and ears giving they shut down the cell towers and would not let back up generation be supplied to them., In Long Beach I heard they had some kind of an exercise there? Maybe having to do with getting the Chinese out of there? It's no longer going to be run by them. Now an Australian group according to what I read.

  • I'm actually wanting to bury might short service line so they'll leave my trees alone.

    I put everything underground when I split my 11 acres into four but on my west line running north I had to let them put power poles due to so much very deep black granite. They are here all the time, PG&E and AT&T, both. The law says 4' clearance and they, if you don'[t watch them, take it down 16'.

  • I'm not sure they have not buried their giant main lines that go great distances through forests and mountains.

    You may be right GG. When a company vital to the public good refuses to maintain their lines properly you can't afford to sue them into bankruptcy. You have to regulate them or you get what you have.

  • How are they allowed to do that? Just cut power off to people who pay their bills?

    They are the single largest utility company in America. Power has the power and currentl(ly).


    Today there Are 17 counties that they will be doing this Again and the word is expect this for the next ten years. I am expecting an appeal any day for rate increases approval??????


    People in my area are furious. also our water is off every other day for this month/ and when we had the other it was planned off for three days, the three days they shut the power off.

  • You made my point. If they had been regulated properly all this time the lines would be fixed by now.

    Bull. Had PG&E been held responsible to fire victims for their losses the lines would have been safer- as it is they've made enough political contributions to our corrupt California politicians (including Gavin Newsome) they are judgement proof.

    PG&E isn't the only reason wildfires are so devastating today- California has regulated logging into extinction, so forests are overgrown with fuel and logging roads, which used to provide access, are now impassable. You can thank the Sierra Club for that.


    Another pass the buck excuse is urban sprawl- my grand parents owned an olive orchard in Paradise that was planted in 1918 and survived 4 generations of my family and it burned up- along with houses and outbuildings.


    I think what chaffs my ass the most is our abandonment of our forest lands and the obtuse denial of this abandonment as a contributing factor in the intensity of wildfires today and the difficulty of fighting them; had we continued to take our stewardship of our forests seriously we wouldn't have the tragic loss of life and property we have today. So- combing corporate greed, greedy politicians, and well meaning but misguided environmentalists, mix it all together, and you get what we have today- deadly wildfires, rolling blackouts and lots of victims.

  • Bull. Had PG&E been held responsible to fire victims for their losses the lines would have been safer- as it is they've made enough political contributions to our corrupt California politicians (including Gavin Newsome) they are judgement proof.

    PG&E isn't the only reason wildfires are so devastating today- California has regulated logging into extinction, so forests are overgrown with fuel and logging roads, which used to provide access, are now impassable. You can thank the Sierra Club for that.


    Another pass the buck excuse is urban sprawl- my grand parents owned an olive orchard in Paradise that was planted in 1918 and survived 4 generations of my family and it burned up- along with houses and outbuildings.


    I think what chaffs my ass the most is our abandonment of our forest lands and the obtuse denial of this abandonment as a contributing factor in the intensity of wildfires today and the difficulty of fighting them; had we continued to take our stewardship of our forests seriously we wouldn't have the tragic loss of life and property we have today. So- combing corporate greed, greedy politicians, and well meaning but misguided environmentalists, mix it all together, and you get what we have today- deadly wildfires, rolling blackouts and lots of victims.

    40% of California's forestland is owned by families, Native American tribes, or companies. Industrial timber companies own 5 million acres (14%). 9 million acres are owned by individuals with nearly 90% of these owners having less than 50 acres of forest land. California forests face a number of threats.


    The rest I think is owned by the Federal Gov.


    Hi Airhead! Nice to meet you. You live there I assume. Do you really think that forest management would make that big a difference? There is soooo much forest I'm not sure California or the Feds would ever come up with enough money to do the job.

    Before the settlers came to California, forest fires burned continuously for years.


    As for the PG&E, public utilities never get held responsible for what they do. They pay for damages and send the bill right back to the people that use the electricity.


    What you said is "Had PG&E been held responsible to fire victims for their losses the lines would have been safer".....safer is not safe. Fires are started by a lot of things.


    I'm in Texas and we don't have the same problems. About once a year a house explodes because the gas lines that are old shift in the soil. The gas companies are way behind in replacing old lines. Our ground water is polluted with radon and chemicals used in the fracking industry. The EPA has turned a blind eye for years.


    You said "they've made enough political contributions to our corrupt California politicians (including Gavin Newsome) they are judgement proof" I agree, it always turns out that way. Regulation is the only way forward that makes any sense to me.


    I found this:


    State regulators point out that overall, only about 10 percent or less of the state’s wildfires are triggered by power line issues. But they acknowledge the state’s 176,000-mile system of overhead electrified lines has played a role in igniting some of the biggest and most destructive fires in recent years.


    So why not bury the problem?


    One California utility company plans to do that. San Diego Gas & Electric officials said next year they will begin converting 20 miles of overhead wires to underground in a high fire-risk area around Cuyamaca Rancho State Park and the town of Campo, where the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Border Patrol has a station.


    The San Diego utility also is exploring a dozen other areas for potential future undergrounding of wires, with fire safety as the main reason, a spokesman said.

    Officials at PG&E, which serves much of Northern California, said they are working on a test project that would put power lines underground along the Bohemian Highway in Sonoma County where thousands live among densely wooded hillsides.


    Utilities often now put power underground in newer urban developments, but that is typically for esthetics and traffic movement, not explicitly for fire safety.


    https://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article221707650.html

  • Sorry Molly...........If I could do anything I would. :love

    Thanks Wayne. My husband's BP was up high this morning and he took himself to the emergency to check on it. He told them what is ongoing and the doctor said too much stress.

    Unmentioed are other mitigating things. The fires you read about are not fought to stop them completely. Logging roads have been closed and this is not just California it is all over this continent. Roads into forests are blocked. So when you have these fires start only parts of them are sought to contain and they let the rest burn, millions upon millions of acres. Our forest have been more and more off limits for us and that brings us back to the UN and 2021 and 2030, the rewilding projects and 'sustainable' development. Chemtrails and their destructive effects on the forests and our farmland as well. We are being directed back into urban areas, stack and pack, limited living conditions is what is envisioned for us. Walk to work, entertainments and your assigned life. We have entered a new era, feet first.