So, who's gonna take the Covid Vaccine?

  • I don't trust that it's safe. Have you seen the video of the 33 year old male nurse who had a bad reaction? Or the other people who did?


    I'm going to take my chances on the 98.2 or better survival rate vs the reactions.


    https://www.khou.com/article/n…87-4cca-bcb2-f8f943933518


    But COVID-19 vaccines account for 68% of all reported adverse events for all vaccine types during the same time period -- everything from flu shots to measles and tetanus vaccinations.

    Dr. Luis Ostrosky, a professor of infectious diseases at McGovern Medical School at UTHealth, said he was not surprised by the numbers, given the enhanced monitoring of the emergency-use vaccines.

    “We're actually motivating people to report side effects when we don't usually do that with other vaccines,” Ostrosky said. “As you're getting a COVID vaccine, you're getting a paper that is asking you to register in the system and to report anything.”

    The most common reports noted mild symptoms -- 21% complained of headaches, 20% of dizziness and 15% of nausea. Some people reported more than one of those symptoms. The CDC data also revealed 35 hospitalizations of those receiving COVID-19 vaccines. Summaries of their symptoms include heart palpitations, severe abdominal pain, seizures and “almost stroke-like symptoms.” Several people also complained they couldn’t breathe after receiving the shot.

  • Personally I'll take the .00001% risk of death over the 1.8% risk. But some don't look at it that way.


    I'm not worried about dying from the Rona- that's pretty unlikely. I worry about being among the 5% or so with chronic effects that could last for years for all we know. The lung scarring and associated problems might be permanent. That doesn't happen with the vaccine. The main risk of the vaccine is the potential for anaphylaxis... which I've never had a problem with.

  • Personally I'll take the .00001% risk of death over the 1.8% risk. But some don't look at it that way.


    I'm not worried about dying from the Rona- that's pretty unlikely. I worry about being among the 5% or so with chronic effects that could last for years for all we know. The lung scarring and associated problems might be permanent. That doesn't happen with the vaccine. The main risk of the vaccine is the potential for anaphylaxis... which I've never had a problem with.

    I don't think that's right though. Not 100 percent of people will get the corona virus.


    24 million people got the corona virus in the US so far. Of those, probably less than one percent died from it. So you first have to GET the CV, then you have a less than 1 percent chance (likely for a healthy person) to have a serious case of it.


    Also, since most dummies will take the vaccine, you will have a MUCH lower chance of getting it.


    Smart money is not getting the vaccine. there have been some nasty reactions to it. And the reactions to this vaccine are higher than most other vaccines COMBINED.

  • Oh, I wear a mask and I wash my hands very frequently!


    In our group of field techs, we have 42 techs. We all work on POS and Network equipment at Target, Home Depot, 711 - plus many others,. but those three we are in every day. Maybe 100 a day or more.


    Since Covid started we have had 3 techs actually get covid, and pretty sure they got it at home. None of them were out more than 10 days - and that 10 days is an HR mandate minimum.


    I'm not worried about covid.

  • Your math is off GG. If you divide 24,000,000 by 100 (to get 1%) you get 240,000. thats close to half the number of dead or 400,000 right now. 1.8% is about right. (Thank you RS.)


    Now there are 330,000,000 people in the US. Divided by 24,000,000 (the number of cases you quoted) you get 13.75. So if you are generous and cut this number in half, lets say 7, you are looking at 7 years of this pandemic at the current rate of infection and death. The point is that without a vaccine we are looking at years of pandemic if not decades....decades?....yes. The way this works is the more infected people the more likely a mutation will come along that will be worse and the current vaccine won't stop.


    You know me. I'm not a "believe the experts" kind of guy. I call every situation like I see it. Mary and I spent considerable time talking about what we would do when the vaccine became available. We decided we would take it.


    Do I think everyone that decides not to take the vaccine is stupid? No. Its a hard call for us all. BUT bad data is not the right way to decide.

  • https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm


    Updated January 13, 2021

    Sex Age group All Deaths involving COVID-19 (U07.1)1 Deaths from All Causes Deaths involving Pneumonia, with or without COVID-19, excluding Influenza deaths

    (J12.0–J18.9)2
    Deaths involving COVID-19 and Pneumonia, excluding Influenza

    (U07.1 and J12.0–J18.9)2
    All Deaths involving Influenza, with or without COVID-19 or Pneumonia

    (J09–J11)3
    Deaths involving Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19

    (U07.1 or J09–J18.9)4
    Population5
    Total
    All ages 329,593 3,247,306 319,102 152,620 8,696 503,675 328,239,523
    Under 1 year 34 18,083 192 6 21 241 3,783,052
    1–4 years 21 3,329 117 3 59 194 15,793,631
    5–14 years 55 5,334 151 10 74 270 40,994,163
    15–24 years 510 34,251 697 181 80 1,102 42,687,510
    25–34 years 2,196 70,231 2,519 977 232 3,953 45,940,321
    35–44 years 5,742 99,685 5,664 2,589 352 9,137 41,659,144
    45–54 years 15,558 182,321 14,963 7,548 760 23,623 40,874,902
    55–64 years 38,830 421,300 40,537 19,569 1,604 61,172 42,448,537
    65–74 years 70,230 645,448 71,472 35,509 1,861 107,786 31,483,433
    75–84 years 90,744 789,035 89,108 43,814 1,873 137,673 15,969,872
    85 years and over 105,673 978,289 93,682 42,414 1,780 158,524 6,604,958
    Males
    All ages 178,688 1,695,695 176,461 87,293 4,481 271,666 161,657,324
    Under 1 year 22 9,958 112 4 10 140 1,935,117
    1–4 years 12 1,930 55 2 38 103 8,074,090
    5–14 years 32 3,188 82 8 36 142 20,941,023
    15–24 years 310 25,325 425 109 37 660 21,810,359
    25–34 years 1,401 49,562 1,524 604 114 2,424 23,359,180
    35–44 years 3,839 65,441 3,520 1,740 184 5,779 20,792,080
    45–54 years 10,452 114,344 9,240 5,075 445 14,986 20,171,966
    55–64 years 24,897 259,161 24,638 12,457 919 37,840 20,499,219
    65–74 years 42,999 374,671 43,070 22,002 1,036 64,928 14,699,579
    75–84 years 50,761 411,136 50,644 25,440 938 76,771 6,998,223
    85 years and over 43,963 380,979 43,151 19,852 724 67,893 2,376,488
    Females
    All ages 150,898 1,551,496 142,634 65,322 4,214 231,999 166,582,199
    Under 1 year 12 8,094 80 2 11 101 1,847,935
    1–4 years 9 1,399 62 1 21 91 7,719,541
    5–14 years 23 2,146 69 2 38 128 20,053,140
    15–24 years 200 8,924 272 72 43 442 20,877,151
    25–34 years 795 20,664 995 373 118 1,529 22,581,141
    35–44 years 1,903 34,240 2,144 849 168 3,358 20,867,064
    45–54 years 5,105 67,972 5,722 2,472 315 8,636 20,702,936
    55–64 years 13,933 162,129 15,898 7,112 684 23,330 21,949,318
    65–74 years 27,230 270,766 28,401 13,506 825 42,857 16,783,854
    75–84 years 39,980 377,883 38,461 18,372 935 60,898 8,971,649
    85 years and over 61,708 597,279 50,530 22,561 1,056 90,629 4,228,470
  • NCHS data can't be trusted because of political pressure.


    If a person gets Covid and then dies but never had a test how are they counted?


    If your mandate is "only count deaths where there is a test" your number is going to be lower. Its easy to believe that as many as half of the Covid deaths didn't get tested.


    My numbers came from the New York Times that started keeping numbers from counties when the last administration and some states started withholding numbers.


    Now we can argue over the numbers BUT beyond a shadow of a doubt Trump publicly stated that he wanted us to stop keeping numbers.


    This argument has nothing to do with actual science and everything to do with who you believe and why you believe them. If you don't trust msm or any media all you have to do is actually listen to what Trump actually said and says to understand why we are in the position we are in.

  • It's also easy to believe that many more people get covid and are never tested and are fine. Maybe they didn't even know they had it.


    So it works both ways. If a person get covid and lives but never had a test how are they counted?


    More people are being tested for covid than anything we've ever monitored, I'd be willing to bet. That's why the numbers are so high. We'd probably get similar numbers if we tested the same for the flu in a normal flu season, pre-covid - then listed any flu-related death as "the flu"


    I'm not super concerned about covid. It will go around and fizzle out like everything else. Or maybe it will be like the cold - just always around.


    Mostly I think viruses weaken as they mutate. I think I heard that.

  • Here is the CDC article from October.


    "As of October 15, 216,025 deaths from COVID-19 have been reported in the United States; however, this might underestimate the total impact of the pandemic on mortality."

    "Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons."

    October November December Janurary and now the number is 399,000 deaths from Covid.


    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm