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    Quote from Elf Man

    Viruses naturally mutate to become less deadly.


    From what I've read, the drop in virus mortality, especially with stuff Measles and Mumps and the standard, is due to better cleanliness and hygiene.



    Absolutely wrong.


    Viruses don't become deadly. What is deadly is surprise cross-species contamination. I.E. The Spanish Flu in the 1920's was a Swine Flu that suddenly crossed over into humans. A minor bug in pigs is deadly to humans. For a while.


    Then it mutates into a less deadly version AND people become more resistant.


    Every single deadly virus ever is cross species.


    Spanish Flu - Swine Flu (And other Swine Flues)

    Bird Flu - Birds

    Bubonic Plague - Rat Disease

    Hemorrhagic Fever - Bat Disease

    Corona Virus - Bat Disease

    HIV - Monkey disease

    Rabies - All mammals.

    Lhyme Disease - Deer


    1. Not all deadly viruses come from cross-species jumps

    • Smallpox was a strictly human virus for thousands of years and killed hundreds of millions. It did not require an animal reservoir to stay deadly.

    • Measles likely originated from rinderpest (a cattle virus) centuries ago, but for recorded history it has been a purely human pathogen and continued to cause enormous mortality until vaccination.

    • Poliovirus is also human-specific and has caused crippling disease and death without any animal “surprise” origin.

    So the blanket claim “every deadly virus ever is cross species” is simply wrong.


    2. Some examples in the list are not viruses at all

    • Bubonic plague is caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis, not a virus.

    • Lyme disease is caused by the bacterium Borrelia burgdorferi, not a virus.

      This shows the argument confuses “infectious diseases” broadly with “viruses.”


    3. Virulence does not always decrease

    It’s a misconception that viruses “always” evolve toward being milder. Evolution doesn’t have that direction — instead, viruses adapt for transmission. Sometimes that means lower virulence (Ebola outbreaks often “burn out” quickly because killing hosts too fast hurts spread), but other times increased virulence helps transmission (myxoma virus in Australian rabbits initially became more lethal before stabilizing).

    • Example: HIV is not noticeably becoming weaker over time; it remains highly pathogenic without treatment.

    • Example: Some strains of influenza have increased in virulence compared to earlier ones.

    ✅ In short:

    • Not all deadly viruses are cross-species.

    • Some listed examples aren’t viruses at all.

    • Viruses don’t always evolve to be less deadly; virulence changes depend on transmission dynamics.

    • Human adaptation (immunity, medicine) plays as big a role as viral mutation.

    Would you like me to make you a side-by-side corrected list of the examples you mentioned (Spanish flu, rabies, HIV, etc.) showing which are true viral zoonoses, which are bacteria, and which are human-only pathogens? That might make the differences very clear.


    AI? Really?


    It didn't even understand the question.


    "Not all diseases are from cross-species jumps."


    **THEN IT GIVES AN EXAMPLE OF CROSS-SPECIES JUMP.**



    HIV is a weird one. In a monkey with a short life span, HIV is an innocuous disease. I'd bet 95% of the monkeys with HIV in the wild wouldn't even notice before they died in a natural way. BUT you take a barely meaningful virus from a short lived creature and stick it in an animal that lives 10X longer, and suddenly it's acting in weird, unpredicted, and deadly ways.


    HIV in humans *may* be getting weaker. There are stories of people self-curing from it (rarely), but the majority of people who have it take so many drugs to suppress it that they can't even find it in a blood test. So are people developing immunity in addition to the treatments? It's hard to say without Unit 731 type experiments.

    You sure know a lot about the HIV.


    Yes AI. Average answers for empirically incorrect statements and the best you can do is try to nitpick the measles which, as stated, has been a human pathogen through recorded history. I know it's incorrect because I specifically asked both a PhD molecular biologist and separately a disease researcher that question, is it all downhill or can a virus get worse? Multiple examples show that it's possible.

    They've always been the enforcement arm of the progressive regime.


    They were created from whole cloth by a homosexual megalomaniac.


    Fedzilla is the the enemy of personal liberty.

    I'm not certain I want membership in a club with standards so low as to allow me membership.

    Leftists hamNeggrrs are vapid tools of the progressive elite who grow immensely wealthy by skimming your earnings through excessive taxation and laws designed to limit your potential and keep you as indentured servants.

    I'm not certain I want membership in a club with standards so low as to allow me membership.

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    Quote from definitely-not-indy

    mRNA tech has become politicized. They're making huge advances in cancer treatments with it. Not just treating it, but massive improvements in preventing recurrence. Since it's polarized beyond rationality the research is just leaving America and gets done elsewhere.


    I don't think the technology is being politicized. What was politicized was the covid "vaccine".... And that's only because people were forced to take it and ostracized for not wanting to take the rushed, experimental drug.. big fucking difference.





    Quote from definitely-not-indy

    Meanwhile, the Mennonites are still dying from the measles, in 2025, because they're anti-vax.

    I love when people try to lump the people who were against being forced to take the COVID-19 experimental drug into the same category as people who are against all vaccines.