Posts by Gina

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    Quote from Danneskjold

    That's the same thing. All Chinese companies are formed at the consent of the Chicom government, and are LEGALLY expected and LEGALLY told to do what the communists tell them to do, else they will be executed. Their success is irrelevant. If they were doing anything that the Chinese Government didn't like, they would already be fitted for nooses.

    It's not the same thing. It's true that ALL Chinese companies are required to cooperate with the Chinese government. TicTok is not some special case that the Chinese government created. It's just a Chinese company like the million others that we do business with.


    So we need to do the same thing for every Chinese app. Make those companies sell to a US company.

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    The whole thing just doesn't sit well with me. If tictok had not been so successful, this action would not have been taken.


    tictok is the American version of the app. The parent company is Bytedance. The US is telling Bytedance that they have to sell tictok to an American company or the app will be banned. I don't like that. Does not sound like a good precedent.

    This is not a Chinese government company. It's just a Chinese company. Same as millions of Chinese companies that make your shit and that have other apps that Americans use. It's pure speculation that the Chinese government controls any of it. They don't know.


    But the reasons given for the action were "Bill to Protect Americans From Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications, Including TikTok"


    So, let's make sure we ban the DJI drone app too. That app could be gathering intelligence. Let's tell every Chinese company with an app that they need to sell their business to an American company. Maybe the Chinese will do the same to use - like with our cars or whatever.

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    Quote from definitely-not-indy

    No, it's not, it's just defining that there are in fact limits. We all agree there are limits. The only question is does a company with an algorithm that is built to actively undermine US politics and push Pro-China narratives, repeatedly proven by researchers, cross that line? Probably, yeah it does.

    That speculation that their algorithm favors anything like that.


    You can also access TikTok without the app. Just by going to the website. So you want to ban that too?


    What about Google's algorithms? Or anyone else's algorithm?


    What TikTok does is pretty good. I get exactly what I'm interested in whenever I look at it. I don't see any weird shit on there.


    But basically what you're doing is your advocating for our government to remove your access to something that you should be able to make up your own mind about. Whether it's propaganda or whatever. Who the fuck cares? Why is that national security?


    If you put it on your phone that's your choice.


    I can't believe you guys think the way you do on the subject. Lol.

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    Quote from rabidrabit

    You are welcome to your opinion. I'm sure you can see why others see how an aggressive foreign adversary has no right to inflict itself on us.

    it's my opinion that they are not forcing the app on people's phones?


    And you are welcome to believe that the US government knows what's best for you regarding a social media platform.

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    I never said that and your example is a ridiculous point that has nothing to do with this argument.


    TickTok is a platform, just like facebook or X. tictok is not "illegal" just because it is Chinese and they collect data, like every other app in the world.


    People that put illegal stuff on it are dealt with the same as any other device.

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    Quote from Danneskjold

    Yes, I am FOR stopping foreign countries that want to subvert the United States of America. Why aren't you?

    You trust that this company is doing that because the government says so?


    Why not ban other apps from the Chinese? They ALL collect data and all companies in China are required to cooperate with the Chinese government.


    This is a social media app. There's others made by Russia. Ban them all?


    So you think that it's fine for the Government to decide what apps I can have? Just making sure. In the name of national security, but mainly because they don't like the information that can be conveyed. The US government is telling you that its for you own good because there is propaganda that you could be exposed to.


    Let's go after our own government first. Ban THEM from collecting our data and distributing propaganda.


    This tictok ban is a joke and I think it's funny that you guys are all for it.


    I'm not going to be affected by it. I occasionally use it, but not often. I just hate the principle of this the same as I hate that they are trying to break up Google - because they are too good at what they do.


    Go after real threats from China. Stop using their drones or any components used for the militarty.


    TicTok is a social media app. It's not like it's a virus that installs itself on shit without anyone's knowledge. The government can ban people from putting it on any US government/military phones if they are worried about it.


    The government claims are only speculation too.

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    So you guys are suddenly fine with government telling you what you can do.


    Our government is telling you what you are allowed to put on your phone willingly. An application that you can put on your phone at your own will the government is telling you that you can't have access to that.


    So maybe they will do that with some of the programs you like on your computer too. Or maybe what internet radio stations you can listen to.

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    The real concern is that they don't like that Americans can be influenced by opinions on TikTok. And that's free speech. They're trying to protect free speech by banning free speech. Lol.


    That's the whole crux of it. That's just like Russia banning websites because of information that their citizens can get. It's no different. And I don't like it. I don't like that the US government wants to block me from seeing whatever I want to see.


    Every single Chinese companies required by Chinese law to cooperate with the Chinese government in intelligence gathering if requested. You don't see other Chinese owned companies being penalized like this or threatened. Other Chinese internet or app companies.


    This is just more US government bullshit and interference. They want control. It's not a national security threat. It's that they don't like the idea that something beyond their controls allowing Americans to have opinions on things or see things that they can't control the content of.


    But this shit on TikTok is harmless shit. It's just information. It's just people's opinions. Who cares if it's propaganda? You think I'm a child and I need to be protected by the US government from possible propaganda?

    As a kid I used to tune into radio Moscow just to hear the propaganda. Because I thought it was funny.


    The answer is not the ban this shit.


    I don't like China at all. Fuck China. But I also don't like the US government telling me what I can or cannot have access to. That's not their fucking place.


    Even the name of the law pisses me off


    H.R. 7521, the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act,

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    The other thing that TikTok does is that they will not put your video in their search algorithm and you can actually see the stats of your own posts and see that they've done that. And they won't allow you to promote it either. If it's not popular or if people don't like it. They give it a chance but if people don't like it right away, you won't get views on that.


    I like the way they handle everything. It's pretty innovative. And it's entertaining. And I've never seen anything on there that I would consider questionable. The only thing I can think of is you guys are not familiar with it and you're ignorant of what it actually is.

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    So you think it's the government's job to raise your kids? That's the problem. That's a problem.

    The government has absolutely no business time parents how to raise their kids. Stay the fuck out of people's personal business. Unless it is for the safety of the kid of course.


    Tick tock is not a problem. They censor more things on TikTok than they do on any other platform. They don't allow any kind of hate speech or any kind of drugs or any kind of thing on that platform. They keep that place very well policed..

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    And I would like to see examples of what you're talking about where the video was actually left on the system. I'm guessing that they get removed because TikTok does censor shit that crosses a line.


    But it's a massive system would probably a billion users. Of course there's going to be shit like that on there. Just like the internet. But it's a great system.

    That doesn't mean everything on it is great.


    Just because it's Chinese. That's the only reason why they are able to get away with this.


    Because they don't want the misinformation. And they get to decide what is misinformation

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    Quote from ASTAC

    TikTok offers zero value to society. Just a bunch of braindead idiots posting brain rotting content. I’ll be glad to see it go just for that reason alone.

    That's not a reason to get rid of it. Just because you don't like it yourself. There's a lot of great stuff on there. It's another case of ignorant people not knowing what they're talking about if you think that it's just a bunch of shit on there.


    I'm not any kind of big time user of it. But I do use it. It has value. It's a great platform.

  • The potential tictok ban in bullshit

    This is no different than Russia blocking sites. Or China blocking sites.


    Just because it's a social media platform and it's massively popular. And because it's owned by a Chinese company .


    There is nothing illegal going on.


    So now the good old USA is blocking sites for our own good