Ukraine War thread.

  • Prigozhin’s earlier response to the question of signing on with MoD

    #1788 We publish a request from the editors of the Guardians of the Motherland project and the answer:

    Hello. You are worried about the editors of the project "Guardians of the Motherland". There was information that Shoigu issued a decree that obliges all volunteers to sign a contract with the Ministry of Defense from July 1. First of all, this procedure is aimed at volunteers from Wagner. What does this mean for PMC Wagner? Now the entire command will pass into the hands of the Ministry of Defense? And how will this affect the effectiveness of the Wagners? Thanks in advance for your reply.

    We publish a comment by Evgeny Prigozhin:

    “Those orders and decrees that Shoigu forms, they apply to employees of the Ministry of Defense and to military personnel. PMC "Wagner" will not sign any contracts with Shoigu. PMC "Wagner" is organically built into the overall system, PMC "Wagner" coordinates its actions with the generals on the right, left, with unit commanders, has the deepest experience and is a highly effective structure. Unfortunately, most military units do not have such efficiency, and precisely because Shoigu cannot manage military formations normally. Therefore, the fact that he writes decrees or orders applies exclusively to the Ministry of Defense and to those who are within the Ministry of Defense. What can happen after this order - we will not be given weapons and ammunition - we will figure it out, as they say, when the thunder breaks out, they will come running and bring weapons and ammunition with a request "help".

    As for subordination, of course, Wagner PMC is absolutely completely subordinate to the interests of the Russian Federation and the supreme commander in chief. On the territory, according to the orders of Gerasimov and Shoigu, Wagner PMC coordinates all its actions and performs the tasks set by Army General Surovikin. And since Surovikin is an intelligent, competent and experienced commander, the tasks that Wagner PMC developed together with Surovikin and carried out on his behalf showed a high level of efficiency and success.”


    https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat/3660


    Dikiy, commander of PMC "Wagner", Hero of Russia:


    “Most commanders from the Ministry of Defense will agree with me that the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is a community of non-professionals who not only cannot lead our army to victory, but dishonor it at every step. Therefore, I propose the same document, only in reverse order. The fact that PMC "Wagner" is ready to accept fighters from the Ministry of Defense into its ranks, on general, fraternal conditions for us. We are ready to continue to fight with them hand in hand until the Victory of Great Russia.

    As for Shoigu and his retinue. I propose not later than June 20 to pass a qualification commission in our field camps and additional training. As a result, after training and a test of confidence, if someone ends up with the result of "crap himself", he surrenders his position, shoulder straps and undeservedly acquired awards. They also return their children from abroad, cancel their dual citizenship, and transfer real estate abroad to the fund to help the relatives of those who died in the NVO.


    https://t.me/rsotmdivision/7978

  • Heavy Fighting is said to currently be ongoing to the North of Staromaiors'ke as Ukrainian Forces are attempting to Advance on the Town utilizing Light Armor with the Support of Artillery and Helicopters; according to the Russian Sources they are Actively attempting to move… pic.twitter.com/pi11VYJtUQ

    OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) June 12, 2023


    Significant Russian Air Activity noted along the Frontline in the Western Donetsk and Eastern Zaporizhzhia Regions.

    OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) June 12, 2023



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    Think Ukraine’s Offensive Has Started? Wait for the Heavy Brigades https://t.co/ojFPZFdWTS
    — Ben Hodges (@general_ben) June 12, 2023

    Think Ukraine’s Offensive Has Started? Wait for the Heavy Brigades
    There’s fighting underway across frontline Ukraine, Ben Hodges says the decisive moment will be when hundreds tanks hit Russian lines.
    cepa.org

    The social media channels are alive with grainy footage of tanks and explosions in Southern and Eastern Ukraine. There are statements everywhere that Kyiv’s long-expected counteroffensive is underway, which is causing some excitement and trepidation. The offensive is incredibly important for Ukraine’s future.

    But when assessing what’s actually happening, it’s useful to understand some key facts. There is a big difference between starting an offensive, and the main attack or main effort of the operation. The offensive has clearly started, but not I think the main attack.

    When we see large, armored formations join the assault, then I think we’ll know the main attack has really begun. To date, I don’t think we’ve witnessed this concentration of several hundred tanks and infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) in the attack.

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    When we see two or three of those brigades (around 500-750 armored vehicles) focused on a narrow front, it will then be possible to say that the main attack has probably started and where it’s happening.

  • "Akhmat", Kadyrov's special unit, signed a contract with Russian ministry of defense, as Shoigu's new order requires.

    During the weekend, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, curator of Wagner PMC, refused to sign a similar contract for Wagner.

    Kadyrov has been criticizing Prigozhin harshly lately.

    It seems that the current situation with Prigozhin is Kadyrov's chance to return to Russian agenda. He has assumed the role of Putin's defender.

    Kadyrov heard from Prigozhin that his men remember the first and second Chechen wars and whose side Kadyrov's clan fought on. Prigozhin started openly discussing the opposition of Russians and Chechens in today's reality.

    There is a high probability that Chechens and Wagnerites could become competitors in the Russian criminal world in the near future.

    Based on analytical materials by @future_ui

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    Russian milbloggers report that a Russian counterattack by units of the 127 motorized rifle division is ongoing near Makarivka with the support of artillery and aviation. They claim Ukrainian forces were driven out of Makarivka.



    No visual proof of these claim is yet given. pic.twitter.com/2Si8w2SlMj
    — NOELREPORTS \uD83C\uDDEA\uD83C\uDDFA \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDE6 (@NOELreports) June 12, 2023


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    Ukrainian Sources have now Confirmed that a Russian Counteroffensive is ongoing along this Sector of the Front.
    OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) June 12, 2023

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    I guess this would be a good reason for RU to counter attack


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    Russian telegram channel Military informant: The Ukrainian army "managed to completely cut off the Vremievsky ledge". Russian forces withdraw to the Staromaiorske & Urozhaine line and will most likely have to leave Rivnopil.https://t.co/lVdxZI7XNj pic.twitter.com/88HvtmfFjW
    — Faytuks News ? (@Faytuks) June 12, 2023
  • Whatever it is, it was taken town

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    Drone footage of retreating Russians meeting their blocking unit comrades.

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    The Ukrainian "Drone Army" has deployed a new UAV platform which they are keeping secret. In this video, a single drone on a single sortie destroyed three Russian tanks, two BMPs and a warehouse with ammunition. #OSINT #UkraineRussiaWar? #UkraineWar #Ukraine #Counteroffensive pic.twitter.com/dOwjljgUrQ
    — OSINT (Uri) \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDE6 (@UKikaski) June 12, 2023


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  • Video of the evacuation of AFU fighters from an M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA, which was first hit by an enemy anti-tank missile, and then hit an AT mine. Everyone made it out alive. pic.twitter.com/hxuS5pYXI1

    — Mr. Parrot ™ \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDE6 (@parrot_soldier) June 12, 2023

    I see a lot of the pro-Russian accounts flaunting the destruction of Leopards and Bradleys. No one in the West ever said these things were indestructible. What they are is equipment that gives the crews a fighting chance to survive unlike the their Russian counterparts.

  • I see a lot of the pro-Russian accounts flaunting the destruction of Leopards and Bradleys. No one in the West ever said these things were indestructible. What they are is equipment that gives the crews a fighting chance to survive unlike the their Russian counterparts.

    With millions of mines covered by atgms and not much of an ability to suppress the KA 52's there will be plenty of losses. Like you noted, western stuff is built to protect the crews and many of those disabled can be recovered and returned to service. It's war. The Ukes can either break down the Russians and start making breakouts that will fold them and recover large swarths of land or they get bogged down into a grind which isn't going to be decisive. It's a months long campaign so all this early stuff isn't the end of the conversation.

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    \uD83D\uDEA8 Today, Shoigu ordered Russian soldiers that they shoot to kill any Wagner PMC mercenaries they encounter. https://t.co/3FoLZsShc7
    Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) June 12, 2023


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    If the rumor that Putin removed Gerasimov from command as the Chief of the General Staff is true, would not be surprising if Putin sides with Prigozhin (by not interfering) in his showdown with Shoigu. Prigozhin is clearly being protected by the FSB.

    FSB & MoD hate each other. pic.twitter.com/AU6yzASwL4
    Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) June 12, 2023


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    Prigozhin announced Wagner PMC is absorbing other Russian PMCs who are coming to him for cover from the takeover by Shoigu's Ministry of Defence. Shoigu ordered that all PMCs must come under the control of the MoD by July 1st.
    Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) June 12, 2023

    They seem to be getting along fine..


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