Russia begins invasion of Ukraine - what now?

    All I'm saying is that this war is not what they want you believe about Putin trying to take back the former soviet countries. This is a fight vs the NWO khazarian Mafia and their attempts to use Ukraine as their gateway to actually attack Russia with a covert war.


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    Read this. Biden didn't even inform congress of this attack.


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    Yes, Ukraine is being used by the NWO for their bidding. Its basically a proxy country they can take advantage of and control their government for massive money laundering and human trafficking, along with biolabs that they are researching and building biological weapons. You know like covid, which killed far more people than Putin ever did. Also energy companies play into this. I recon far worse shit than we know. What do you think Bidens son was doing there? How about Nancy Pelosis kid? How about Mit Romneys kid? Why did they fire the prosecutor going after Bidens son? Why do you think Putin didn't invade the other countries? You have to really dig into what the NWO has been doing in Ukraine. Why do you think they tried to impeach Trump so desperately when he looked into this? You have to see the bigger picture and actually listen to what Putin says in his speeches.

    If it's not a proxy war, is the absolute closet thing there is to it. It's the little bit pregnant of war. The NATO allies keep upping the ante for Putin. First it was just humanitarian aid, then bullets, then Javelins, howitzers, then other missiles, then HIMARS, then tanks and next F16s. After that?


    This is basically the Rooskie/Chink Vietnam playbook in reverse. The difference is the US would never have nuked North Vietnam. Hell, we didn't even really put the B-52 hammer down on strategic targets. Imagine if we had put a 25 Buff raid right on Haiphong harbor and each of their other harbors. WW2 type destruction and too bad/so sad for collateral damage. Game over; no logistics, no win.

    I'm not so sure Putin will not use nukes if he and his troops get pushed back far enough or get annihilated enough. Then what NATO wizard strategic planners? What does NATO do then?


    As a side note: NATO Allies Would Run Out of Ammo Within Days of War With Russia: Report (newsweek.com)


    War stocks of the NATO alliance weaponry are about at all time lows. The various governments are talking years and years to replace what has gone to Ukraine. The US itself isn't much better off in terms of replacement production capacity.


    This is not a good thing. I believe the real winner is China.

    Think of Boroda. Wasn't he always wanting to "burn" the evil capitalist Americans? You think Putin isn't like Boroda?


    If the Ukes push the Rooskies out of Ukraine proper, Russian nukes are a possibility. If the Ukes move on Crimea, Russian nukes may be a certainty.


    I don't think the Western World will feel so smart at that point.

    Yep I agree. I even said so on the other thread. That I think that right now they are looking for an excuse to use nukes. And Putin's recent speech is setting the groundwork in my opinion.


    He absolutely cannot lose this war. And if he sets it up so that it's Russia against the world and the world is provoking Russia and now threatening Russia's very existence, which is basically what he said, then he is justifying using nuclear weapons.


    And so I looked up that option. And there was an article I read from military experts that said that tactical nukes would actually probably not even do him much good. It was an interesting article. Basically they say that it's a lot more difficult than it would seem to use technical nukes. Especially against a mobile enemy.


    I have no doubt that he would use them. What does he have to lose?

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    Think of Boroda. Wasn't he always wanting to "burn" the evil capitalist Americans? You think Putin isn't like Boroda?


    If the Ukes push the Rooskies out of Ukraine proper, Russian nukes are a possibility. If the Ukes move on Crimea, Russian nukes may be a certainty.


    I don't think the Western World will feel so smart at that point.

    For your position to be rational, Putin would have to believe that his bluff would not be called. That is a really risky move on his behalf. Risky as in certain death and destruction if he is wrong. That is a very hard gamble.

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    I'm thinking that Putin is all in. If he loses this war, what do you think will happen to him? I'm thinking he's fucked.

    So, assuming the Russians start losing ground without hope of turning it around, what choice does he have? Spin it like NATO is evil and interceded thus the SMO did not work out. That gives him an out at high risk. Other side of the coin is to use nuke blackmail at the risk of it getting out of control and he loses everything.


    I don't know what Putin would do and I doubt he does right now either. I do think people jump on the Putin will just nuke people in a mutual max loss band wagon way to easily. The risks are higher on that path than any other and that is the doom porn / mouth breather easy out that does not consider what Putins reality domestically would be at that time. I suspect that he would be more likely to blame NATO and settle than go nuke since the nuke path has a high probability of complete Russian loss.

    But he's already set this up as NATO attacking Russia and that Russia's security is at stake. So he loses and just goes home? I doubt he's think that way. Go home a colossal failure. Go home having put Russia into a far worse position.


    I think he's all in. I think he will justify using nukes. He's set the groundwork for it since 2014.

    Putin has used the conventional weapons he has indiscriminately. Hospitals, schools, residential areas, whatever.


    I doubt he’d be any more discriminating with his tac nukes.


    As for hard gambles, the military history of the world of filled with dictators and mad men the took hard gambles Adolph anyone?


    Since 1945 the first use of nukes has been foresworn by every nation that had them.


    Obviously though WE used them to try and end the war with the Japs while minimizing casualties. Our national survival was no longer in question at that point. We were going to win either way.


    Putin wouldn’t use them to minimize casualties and win? He still has ICBMs to give pause to any country that makes a real fuss about it.

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    And if Putin uses nukes and the world does nothing we enter a whole new phase of warfare.

    Right. That is his most dangerous gamble. If does not and withdraws to some degree or even completely from UA it's high risk but not as high risk as using nukes to force favorable negotiations.


    If you game out the risks of going nuclear under these conditions there is a lot more really bad ways it can play out for Putin. Basically going that path may be his highest risk/ reward path but it's the most dangerous gamble from Putins pov.


    Again, I'm not advocating one direction or another. I think we will find out before winter sets in this year how it all plays out. I'm simply challenging people to game it out because the simpleton answer of NewkS! isn't as simple when you actually are making that decision.

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    And if Putin uses nukes and the world does nothing we enter a whole new phase of warfare.

    If he does and the world does not make sure the price is too high, we are going to see more regimes just playing the newks! card more often. That is the rest of the worlds conundrum. My biggest concern is that he might be much more inclined to go that way considering FJB and CO are running the show for the US.