Ukraine war thoughts and opinions.

Quote from Rank Stranger

They became unpopular when we started obviously losing,

Wrong once again. The military was NEVER losing. The NVA and the VC got their asses handed to them routinely. Don't bring up TET because you'll only be highlighting your ignorance. Militarily, TET was a catastrophic loss for the NVA and VC that the US media managed to turn into a brilliant victory for the North.

The US lost when the politicians failed to allow the military to prosecute the war as a war. (If that's confusing, think Gulf War 1). As the politicians continued to fuck up the process, the populace lost faith, lost interest. Then the US withdrew with the expected result.

Quote from Toad

Wrong once again. The military was NEVER losing. The NVA and the VC got their asses handed to them routinely. Don't bring up TET because you'll only be highlighting your ignorance. Militarily, TET was a catastrophic loss for the NVA and VC that the US media managed to turn into a brilliant victory for the North.

The US lost when the politicians failed to allow the military to prosecute the war as a war. (If that's confusing, think Gulf War 1). As the politicians continued to fuck up the process, the populace lost faith, lost interest. Then the US withdrew with the expected result.

Sounds like losing to me.

The politicians lost it. The military never lost it.

In fact, if LBJ and McNamara had given those generals the free hand Schwartzkopf had in Iraq it would have been a very short affair.

I do hope LBJ and McNamara roast in hell for the lives they wasted.

I don't care who you think lost it. Point is that we lost it.

Quote from Redwing7

And 100% against sending any arms directly to the Ukraine.

What about legs? Can we send those?

Not fat enough.